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Top 5 Arguments Atheists Should Stop Using

10/12/2018

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-Tim Howard

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5.Science and religion contradict
4.Who created God
3.You were raised that way
2.Religion is the source of the world’s    problems
1.Jesus never existed

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The number of those who claim to non-religious or atheist is ever increasing. We live in a time where anti-religious objections (specifically toward Christianity) have been frequently proposed. Naturally, not all objections have been sound ones. In this article, I will be going through some of these objections that I label the top 5 arguments atheists should stop using.

Number 5: "science and religion contradict"
This is a very common misconception I often hear made by skeptics and atheists when it comes scientific evidence. This is the issue that religion cannot be reconciled or be consistent with science. However, the contrary is true. Starting from my position as a Christian, this is not the case. Apologists such as John Lennox give a very well rounded and concise position concerning this falsehood. For example, the existence of a jet engine is explained by what? The parts that make it and the laws of internal combustion, or the engineer? It would be bizarre to suggest that both these explanations conflict with one another. Rather, they complement each other and give a coherent picture as to “why the jet engine.” Those who subscribe to a faith and believe in God, view him as the causal agent behind what makes up our physical world. Just as a programmer is the cause behind the code in a computer program. I also hear people say, "I don't believe in god, I believe in science", so are they suggesting because I'm a Christian I reject the theory of gravity? Or the laws of thermodynamics, and so on? This simply is not the case with religious belief.
 
Number 4: "Who created God?"
God's existence has always been in debate among theists and atheists, but this tends to be a common objection. This question is usually posed as a type of conversation stopper, rather than with sincerity. This just shows a lack in philosophical understanding of who God is. God, according to his properties, is not a created being, this question would assume that we are proposing created a God. God can be defined by the following: immaterial, timeless, spaceless, changeless, infinitely powerful, eternal, personal, unconditioned, and endowed with freedom of the will, or ontologically speaking, the highest conceivable being. With God outlined correctly, we no longer have any reason to assume God needs to be created, unless we want to be guilty of making a category error. Since God is a metaphysical being, God can also be viewed as an abstract concept just like abstract objects in philosophy. Mathematics, numbers, shapes, etc. exist entirely on their own with no external explanation but become very axiomatic like the laws of logic. Often, this is a response towards cosmological arguments. This fails due do to not properly understanding what the premises convey. Only things that begin to exist require causes, this follows logically that God would not need a cause due to his divine property of being eternal and timeless.
 
Number 3: "You were raised that way"
When skeptics try to undermine the validity of a person's testimony, this is usually the objection that is raised. While yes, many theists were born into environments where religion is practiced, this does not logically follow that anyone's sole belief in God is only grounded in the fact that they were introduced to it where they were born. This would make the objector guilty of the genetic fallacy. The logical form: The origin of the claim is presented. Therefore, the claim is true/false. Even if the sole reason for a belief in God was due to the brain washing of a specific person, this does not in any way disprove their belief. If God truly exists, then the brainwashed individual has arrived at the correct conclusion. Using myself as an example, I was raised into a religious home, but affirmed my faith through facts and evidence, even though I was born and raised to already believe it. Santa clause, the tooth fairy, and many other myths are usually abandoned at adolescence, but a belief in God holds true for millions at any age, giving us good reason to assume that theistic belief is much more than one’s origin.
 
Number 2: “Religion is the source of the world’s problems”
This position is usually taken by those who are anti-theists and see religious belief as hazardous. A claim that is typically stated is that all major wars were religiously motivated ones and the gruesome atrocities committed in humanity can be ascribed to religion. While yes, certain inhumane actions were rationalized by religious belief, it does not logically follow that inhumane actions can be traced to just that. I can easily look to the history of the 20th century and demonstrate the data. We have enough non-religious ideologies being pushed at the time leading to the death of millions. We have: Joseph Stalin, Mao Zedong, Adolf Hitler, Chiang Kai-Shek, Vladimir Lenin, Hideki Tojo, Pol Pot, and on I can go. All together coming to a grand total of 122,064,000 lives lost. That’s almost 130 million lives lost by the hands of non-religious peoples. Professor R.J Rummel writes in his book "Death by Government" that, "Almost 170 million men, women and children have been shot, beaten, tortured, knifed, burned, starved, frozen, crushed or worked to death; buried alive, drowned, hung, bombed or killed in any other of a myriad of ways governments have inflicted death on unarmed, helpless citizens and foreigners." In the light of this evidence, we can correctly conclude that religion cannot be the only responsible source for humanities atrocities and problems.
 
Number 1: “Jesus never existed”
The reason this is deemed as the worst argument on this list is because of its historically dishonest and scholarly inaccurate position. To claim Jesus of Nazareth never existed would be to deny historical consensus on the subject. It’s a scholarly debate whether Jesus rose from the dead, but to deny his existence is not scholarly. Josephus and Tacitus are often invoked on the matter writing about Jesus of Nazareth in their text. They were two ancient historians and scholars who affirmed the life of Jesus in their written accounts. Here is a link to the full discourse of listing sources: https://beliefmap.org/jesus-existed
​Even non-believing New-Testament scholars such as Bart Ehrman attack this radical view that Jesus of Nazareth didn't exist. The bottom line is that only minority groups hold to this view of Jesus not existing and are seen by professional and academic circles as being dishonest in their work.

Tim runs Invoking Theism: ​https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCcXdCHoaSy0kNSv-KwjiSqQ 

3 Comments
Brian Blais link
11/1/2018 11:16:05 am

> Number 5: "science and religion contradict"

At least when I've used this argument, it is to point out that there are places where common religious beliefs are in conflict with known science, e.g. 6-day creation, talking animals, raising the dead, etc... Now, these aren't _logical_ contradictions - one can always come up with some excuse - but they certainly make the claims less likely. If the answer to the challenge is that there is some agent involved, then you have to demonstrate that and demonstrate by what mechanism the event can be accomplished by the agent. Neither one of these is ever done, from what I can see.

> Number 4: "Who created God?"
> God, according to his properties, is not a created being, this question would assume that we are proposing created a God.

The question is valid, because even according to Kalam everything that begins to exist has a cause. Have you demonstrated that God didn't begin to exist? Or is that property merely asserted? If it is just asserted then the question is still valid. Saying that God is a non-contingent being is not enough - you're simply trying to define away the problem.

> Number 3: "You were raised that way"

I agree. I seem to recall someone saying that if you attribute logic and evidence to your position and psychology to your opponent's position you've lost the argument. There is a symmetrical statement by Christians to atheists - "you're just angry at God" or something like that.

> Number 2: “Religion is the source of the world’s problems”

I think the cost-benefit analysis of religion is complex with items tipping the scales on both sides. I think there are clear places where religion is a problem - the reliance on faith for example. I wouldn't go so far as saying that it is the source of all the world's problems.

> Number 1: “Jesus never existed”

Actually, even Robert M Price or Richard Carrier would not say this exactly. They would say that we can't know that Jesus existed, but that they believe the preponderance of the evidence is on the side of non-existing. They have also admitted that certain evidence would change their minds (e.g. a contemporary letter from a non-Christian saying something like "I was in Jerusalem the other day, and saw the teacher called Jesus everyone is talking about"). I've looked at the evidence for both, and am pretty agnostic about it. It's possible there was a guy named Jesus who was an itinerant preacher. It's possible there were multiple guys for whom the stories got merged into a single character named Jesus. It's also possible that Jesus is the historical name given to a mythical character and the historical elements added later. Given the level of the evidence and the time span it may be impossible to distinguish these options with any degree of certainty.

Anyway, hope that adds a bit of nuance to these arguments commonly put forward by atheists.

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Mildred
11/4/2018 06:01:33 pm

Your real problem is that more and more people don't make any argument. Your myths are no longer relevant.

We don't argue with flat earthers, creationists, 9/11 truthers, ...or you. Enjoy your fantasies. We don't care.

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Greg
1/25/2019 05:39:31 pm

And yet you still cared enough to comment???

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